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House Proceeding 05-14-09 on May 14th, 2009 :: 0:40:05 to 1:00:05
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Shelley Berkley

0:38:35 to 0:40:05( Edit History Discussion )
Speech By: Shelley Berkley

Shelley Berkley

0:39:49 to 0:40:05( Edit History Discussion )

Shelley Berkley: without these conditions, we are simply writing the palestinians another blank check to continue their self-destructive and violent behavior. while i support the rule and the bill, i have serious reservations about funding and urge my colleagues that we not

David Dreier

0:40:06 to 0:40:20( Edit History Discussion )

David Dreier: continue this pattern of rewarding unacceptable behavior in the future. i yield back the balance of my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlewoman yields back. the gentleman from california. mr. dreier: mr. speaker, thank you very much. at this time i'm happy to yield o minutes to another hardworking member of the committee on appropriations who

David Dreier

0:40:10 to 0:40:20( Edit History Discussion )
Speech By: David Dreier

Todd Tiahrt

0:40:21 to 0:40:42( Edit History Discussion )

Todd Tiahrt: had an amendment dealing with guantanamo bay but unfortunately with the structure we've got won't be made in order. the gentleman from kansas. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from kansas is recognized for two minutes. mr. tiahrt: i thank the gentleman from california for his leadership. we are approaching national security issues, congress has always acted in a prudent bipartisan manner to proct the american people.

Todd Tiahrt

0:40:25 to 0:42:55( Edit History Discussion )
Speech By: Todd Tiahrt

Todd Tiahrt

0:40:43 to 0:41:04( Edit History Discussion )

Todd Tiahrt: last week, however n. a straight party-line vote in the appropriations committee, democrats rejected both republican alternatives to prevent terrorists held at guantanamo bay from getting a plane ride to the united states. then yesterday the democrats on the rules committee rejected my amendment to prohibit terrorist detainees from being transferred or released in the united states. speaker pelosi and her

Todd Tiahrt

0:41:05 to 0:41:25( Edit History Discussion )

Todd Tiahrt: leadership team are refusing an up or down vote. do we allow hardened terrorists to be transported to the united states nothing that eventually some will be released to the streets of america? democrats have itead offed a fig leaf. their provision simply delays, it does not prevent, it delays

Todd Tiahrt

0:41:26 to 0:41:47( Edit History Discussion )

Todd Tiahrt: the bomb's plan to -- obama administration's plan to release terrorists on our streets. the administration has already authorized the release of 30 detainees. this is not conjecture. this is not speculation. this is happening. and unfortunately my colleagues are simply delaying the real problem. 75% of the population does not want terrorists released in the united states, and 20% don't

Todd Tiahrt

0:41:48 to 0:42:08( Edit History Discussion )

Todd Tiahrt: even realize it's a possibility. congress should not abdicate its responsibility to provide for the common defense of this nation. we should be able to speak on this issue. americans deserve an up or down vote on the question, do we welcome terrorists on the streets of america or not? this rule simply sweeps the question under the rug hoping the problem will go away.

Todd Tiahrt

0:42:09 to 0:42:29( Edit History Discussion )

Todd Tiahrt: the gentleman from colorado mentionewe could send them to fort leavenworth. i have been there, i am from kansas, we do not want terrorists in kansas and i don't want them on any street in america. so i think that it's only fair we reject this rule. give us an up or down vote on whether or not we want a plane ticket for terrorists to get from guantanamo to america.

Todd Tiahrt

0:42:30 to 0:42:50( Edit History Discussion )

Todd Tiahrt: i would encourage my friends to vote no on the previous question to allow mr. wolf an opportunity to present his language and vote no on the rule so we can have a chance for an up or down vote on whether we bring terrorists into our nation. . the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. the gentleman from colorado.

Todd Tiahrt

0:42:51 to 0:42:55( Edit History Discussion )

Todd Tiahrt: >> my friend from kansas, i know, knows full with well that it says in the amendment, none of the funds made available in

Dennis J. Kucinich

0:42:56 to 0:43:16( Edit History Discussion )

Dennis J. Kucinich: this or any prior act may be used to release an individual who is detined as of april 30, 2009, at the naval station i guantanamo bay into the couldn't ninl united states, alaska, hawaii or the district of columbia. so, that's what the amendment says, that'shat is part of this bill. >> will the gentleman yield? the speaker pro tempore: the

Dennis J. Kucinich

0:43:05 to 0:44:25( Edit History Discussion )
Speech By: Dennis J. Kucinich

Dennis J. Kucinich

0:43:17 to 0:43:38( Edit History Discussion )

Dennis J. Kucinich: gentleman from ohio is recognized for one minute. mr. kucinich: we went to war in iraq based on a lie. we were told in 2002 iraq had weapons of mass destruction. the previous administration even pursued torture to try to extract false confessions to try to justify the war. it's time to tell the true -- truth.

Dennis J. Kucinich

0:43:39 to 0:44:01( Edit History Discussion )

Dennis J. Kucinich: the truth is we should not have prosecuted a war against the iraqi people. the truth is the democratic senate could have stopped the iraq war in 2002. the truth is we democrats were given control of congress in 2006 to end the war. the truth is this bill continues a disastrous war which has cost the lives of thousands of our soldiers. the truth is the occupation has fueled the u.s. is.

Dennis J. Kucinich

0:44:02 to 0:44:23( Edit History Discussion )

Dennis J. Kucinich: the truth is the iraqi -- insurgency. the truth is, it will cost the iraqi people and the americans millions of dollars. don't tell the american people you're ending the war by continuing to fund the war. don't tell the americ people that the war will end when their plans leave 50,000 troops in iraq. don't tell people that the way out of afghanistan is to

Dennis J. Kucinich

0:44:24 to 0:44:25( Edit History Discussion )

Dennis J. Kucinich: escalate and more

Judy Biggert

0:44:26 to 0:44:46( Edit History Discussion )

Judy Biggert: counterinsurgent -- insurgency. get out of iraq, get out of afghanistan, come home, america, come home. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. the gentleman from california. mr. dreier: i guess for a different reason, my friend from ohio is going to be joining us in opposition to this rule and i very much appreciate that. with that -- >> will the gentle of course i'll be voting

Judy Biggert

0:44:30 to 0:46:25( Edit History Discussion )
Speech By: Judy Biggert

Judy Biggert

0:44:47 to 0:45:08( Edit History Discussion )

Judy Biggert: against this rule. i want this war to end. mr. dreier: i appreciate the gentleman joining us for a somewhat different reason reason than our. we all want to this war to end but we want to ensure success. with that i'm happy to yield two minutes to my friend from illinois, mrs. biggert. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlewoman from illinois is recognized for two minutes.

Judy Biggert

0:45:09 to 0:45:32( Edit History Discussion )

Judy Biggert: mr biggert: i thank the gentleman for yielding. mr. speaker, i rise in strong opposition to this closed rule. i offered an amendment yesterday to address an injustice against the members of our armed services that were shut out by this closed rule. briefly my amendment would have increased the across the board military personnel pay for 2009, from 3.9% to 4.4%.

Judy Biggert

0:45:33 to 0:45:55( Edit History Discussion )

Judy Biggert: this pay raise would have bn effective retroactively from january 1, 2009. according to estimates by the congressional research service, the pay gap between military personnel and civilians in exabble positions is 3%. particularly during a recession, it is unacceptable that our men and women in uniform receive less than their civilian counterparts.

Judy Biggert

0:45:56 to 0:46:16( Edit History Discussion )

Judy Biggert: you know, i was just in afghanistan over the weekend and had the opportunity to meet and work with a wonderful, committed professional group of men and women in the military. they've been serving us to keep us safe and to establish the stability in the mideast. given this shortfall in pay, i

Judy Biggert

0:46:17 to 0:46:26( Edit History Discussion )

Judy Biggert: thought it was appropriate to provide for our troops some supplemental income in this supplemental appropriations bill. unfortunately this rule would not even allow an up or down

David Dreier

0:46:27 to 0:46:47( Edit History Discussion )

David Dreier: vote on my amendment. mr. speaker, i cannot support this continued abuse of process. i urge my colleagues to oppose -- mr. dreier: mr. speaker, i'd simply like to say that the gentlewoman has offered an extraordinarily thoughtful amendment amendment which reaffirms -- reaffirms our dedication to our men and women in uniform and especially as memorial day approaches, it

David Dreier

0:46:30 to 0:46:55( Edit History Discussion )
Speech By: David Dreier

David Dreier

0:46:48 to 0:46:55( Edit History Discussion )

David Dreier: seems to me that we should have an open amendment process that would allow us to fully debate the biggert amendment and it saddens me that this structure

Lynn C. Woolsey

0:46:56 to 0:47:21( Edit History Discussion )

Lynn C. Woolsey: around which we're considering this issue is so restricted and i thank my friend for yielding. mrs. biggert: i thank you and i yield back the balance of my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlewoman yields back the balance of her time. the gentleman from colorado. mr. perlmutter: how much time does each side have? the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from colorado has 13

Lynn C. Woolsey

0:47:00 to 0:48:35( Edit History Discussion )
Speech By: Lynn C. Woolsey

Lynn C. Woolsey

0:47:24 to 0:47:44( Edit History Discussion )

Lynn C. Woolsey: 1/2 minutes remaining and the gentleman from california has 10/2 minutes remaining. mr. perlmutter: i'd li to yield a minute to ms. woolsey from california. the speaker gentlewoman from california is recognized for one minute. ms. woolsey: mr. speaker, i have so many concerns about this supplemental i don't know where to start but i'm going to start at one point and that is that -- and i believe most important point is this supplemental keeps us involved in iraq and it sets up an unening occupation of afghanistan -- unending occupation of afghanistan.

Lynn C. Woolsey

0:47:45 to 0:48:05( Edit History Discussion )

Lynn C. Woolsey: the cost of the supplemental is just too great without a defined stated mission, without redeployment plans. we're going to look for an end -- unendless military presence in -- endless military presence in afghanistan. that going to fuel anti-americanism throughout the region and it will continue to

Lynn C. Woolsey

0:48:06 to 0:48:27( Edit History Discussion )

Lynn C. Woolsey: promote the instability. sadly, the rule does not provide members a chance to remedy this situation, proposals providing accountability and transparency for my colleague, barbara lee, from jim mcgovern, from john tierney, have actually had a chance -- hadn't had a chance for an up or down vote, could have made a difference when we

Lynn C. Woolsey

0:48:28 to 0:48:35( Edit History Discussion )

Lynn C. Woolsey: voted on the floor today. the american people deserve a much better -- deserve much better than this. i urge mcolleagues to oppose

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this funding and promote a

0:48:38 to 0:48:58( Edit History Discussion )

foreign policy based on smart security. humanitarian assistance, development and diplomacy. i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlewoman's time has expired. the gentleman from california. mr. dreier: mr. speaker, at this time i'm very happy to yield two minutes to a hardworking new member with a very, very distinguished career in public service, the gentleman from aurora, colorado, mr. coffman.

0:48:59 to 0:49:19( Edit History Discussion )

the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from colorados recognized for two minutes. mr. coffman: thank you, mr. speaker. and thank you to the gentleman from california. mr. dreier, who has said and i agree with him that we can make this bill a better bill if we open up to the amendment process and certainly agree with my colleague from the great state of colorado, mr. perlmutter, who says this is

0:49:20 to 0:49:41( Edit History Discussion )

not a perfect bill. one provision of this bill gives u.s. axe taxpayer dollars to the -- taxpayer dollars to the gaza strip in the aftermath of the fighting between isrl and hamas for reconstruction aid. and it does this by giving $119

0:49:42 to 0:50:03( Edit History Discussion )

million to the united nations. in 2004 peter hanson, then commissioner general of the united nations relief and works agency, remarked that i am sure that there are hamas members on our payroll and i don't see that as a crime. hamas as a political organization does not mean that every member is a militant and

0:50:04 to 0:50:28( Edit History Discussion )

we do not do political vetting and exclude people from one persuasion as against another. unquote. hamas is a u.s.-designated foreign terrorist organization. the united nations might not consider having hamas members

0:50:29 to 0:50:49( Edit History Discussion )

on their payroll a problem but it certainly is a problem for the united states and israel. the supplemental before us provides up to $119 million for united nations relief and works agency to spend in hamas-controlled gaza. which means that hamas members on the u.n. payroll will effectively be on the u.s.

0:50:50 to 0:51:10( Edit History Discussion )

payroll. i intend to vote against this rule because it does not allow the chance to amend this provision. i filed an amendment that would have instead provided $119 million for humanitarian relief to go to usaid. the rule before us would bar this amendment from being

0:51:11 to 0:51:31( Edit History Discussion )

offered. i appreciate the attempt at additional oversight placed on the u.n. in this supplemental, but it's simply too li late. i wrote to secretary clinton -- the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. mr. dreier: i yield the gentleman an additional 30 seconds. the speaker pro tempore: the

0:51:32 to 0:51:53( Edit History Discussion )

gentleman is recognized for an additional 30 seconds. mr. coffman: i wrote secretary clinton in march noting there's no way to spend money in gaza without benefiting hamas. unfortunately, out of this several ways to spend money that might inappropriately benefit hamas, we are choosing one of the worst.

Ed Perlmutter

0:51:54 to 0:52:15( Edit History Discussion )

Ed Perlmutter: mr. speaker, i would urge a no vote on the previous question, a no vote on the rule. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman yields back the balance of his time. the gentleman from colorado. mr. perlmutter: thank you, mr. speaker. to my friend from colorado, it's good to see you here, i would just say on page 55 of the bill there is a provision that says no funding, no assistance is to be provided to or through any individual or

Ed Perlmutter

0:52:05 to 0:52:15( Edit History Discussion )
Speech By: Ed Perlmutter

Barbara Lee

0:52:16 to 0:52:36( Edit History Discussion )

Barbara Lee: private or government entity that advocates, plans, sponsors oren gauges in any terrorist activity. with that i'd like to yield one minute to my friend from california, ms. lee. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlewoman from california is recognized for one minute. ms. lee: thank you. i thank the gentleman for yielding. also let me thank chairman obey and murtha for their hard work

Barbara Lee

0:52:20 to 0:54:55( Edit History Discussion )
Speech By: Barbara Lee

Barbara Lee

0:52:37 to 0:52:58( Edit History Discussion )

Barbara Lee: on this bill and for including provisions prohibiting the establishment of permanent bases in iraq and afghanistan. i oppose the 2001 resolution authorizing the e of force because it gave president bush and any future president an open-ended blank check to wage r anywhere on the globe starting in afghanistan. nearly eight years later i continue to oppose the

Barbara Lee

0:52:59 to 0:53:19( Edit History Discussion )

Barbara Lee: supplemental appropriations bills for the wars in afghanistan and iraq because it continues us down the wrong path and can lead to war without end. unfortunately, this will continue to happen if we don't repeel that 2001 authorization. i oppose thi $94 billion supplemental because it favors military activities over diplomatic, development and

Barbara Lee

0:53:20 to 0:53:40( Edit History Discussion )

Barbara Lee: reconstruction efforts by a ratio of nine to one. afghanistan will not be stabilized through military action as noted by the carneigie endowment, the presence of foreign troops is the most important element driving the resurgence of the taliban. this was counter to our national security interests. this does not include an exit plan for afghanistan. it does not fully fund the redeployment of troops out of

Barbara Lee

0:53:41 to 0:54:01( Edit History Discussion )

Barbara Lee: afghanistan. it doesot -- mr. perlmutter: i yield my friend another 30 seconds. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlewoman is recognized. mr. lee: ree thank you very much for yielding. this does not -- plea lee -- ms. lee: thank you very much. this does not have a strong, nuclear nonproliferation effort in pakistan.

Barbara Lee

0:54:02 to 0:54:22( Edit History Discussion )

Barbara Lee: the supplemental appropriations bill does not reflect a new direction. therefore i cannot support it. let me just mention that our friend and colleague, congressman pete stark, is unable to be here todafor this important debate so i wish to conclude by reading one sentence from his statement. he said, president obama is moving america's foreign policy in a better direction and he has shown superior judgment to

Barbara Lee

0:54:23 to 0:54:43( Edit History Discussion )

Barbara Lee: president bush on when we should send our troops in harm's way. however, i cannot support any more funding for these wars. thank you, i yield back the balance of my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlewoman's time has expired. the gentleman from califora. mr. dreier: thank you very much, mr. speaker. may i inquire of the chair how much time is remaining on each side? the speaker pro tempore: the

Barbara Lee

0:54:44 to 0:54:55( Edit History Discussion )

Barbara Lee: gentleman from california has eight minutes remaining and the gentleman from colorado has 10 3/4 minutes remaining. crire mr. dreier: may i inquire of my colleague how many speakers he has remaining on his side of the aisle?

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mr. perlmutter: at least three.

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mr. dreier: i ask my friend to proceed and i would reserve the balance of my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from california reserves. the gentleman from colorado. mr. perlmutter: mr. speaker, i'd like to yield one minute to my friend, mr. perriel virginia. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from virginia is recognized for onminute. mr. perriello: thank you, mr. speaker. i rise today as someone who was

0:55:19 to 0:55:39( Edit History Discussion )

very critical from the beginning of the iraq war, but nonetheless am supportive of the supplemental before us. i beli promising moment, a promising moment in terms of the trends in iraq and a promising moment in terms of having a leader in the white house who understands afghanistan right. having been on the ground there in previous years, i can assure you the questions that were not

0:55:40 to 0:56:01( Edit History Discussion )

being asked before are being asked now. it's not going to be an easy struggle there. but i say to my more progressive colleagues who are very critical of this that we should give ourselves a little credit. the era of arbitrary po the bush doctrine ended with the 2006 election. a new period of smart power, led with general petraeus and secretary gates, has moved us

0:56:02 to 0:56:23( Edit History Discussion )

in a direction of real national security, not hollywood security. and this is an important move and the a move that continues today. that change was only solidified by the 2008 election. we have people who are deadly serious about getting national security right and in iraq and afghanistan, who understand the military's job is to back up a political solution and are looking for that, who understand that with he -- we

0:56:24 to 0:56:45( Edit History Discussion )

cannot solve the situation in afghanistan without dealing with corruption internally. mr. perlmutter: i yield him an additional 30 seconds. mr. perriello: we will not end corruption in pakistan external and we have a were the president who's negotiating from a position of sength and not weaknes

0:56:46 to 0:57:06( Edit History Discussion )

i rise today with grave seriousness about the supplemental before us but a track with this new national security strategy. i believe that's the right thing to do to support it and i yield my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman yields back the balance of his time. does the gentleman from california continue to reserve? mr. dreier: if i may, mr. speaker. the speaker pro tempore: the

Donna Edwards

0:57:07 to 0:57:27( Edit History Discussion )

Donna Edwards: gentleman from colorado. mr. perlmutter: i'd like now to yield a minute tmy friend from maryland, ms. edwards. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlewoman from maryland is recognized for one minute. ms. edwards: i rise today in opposition to the appropriations bill. i'm undecided on the rule. i returned from afghanistan just a couple of days ago and i could see firsthand the passion and commitment of our service men and women, our diplomats

Donna Edwards

0:57:20 to 0:58:40( Edit History Discussion )
Speech By: Donna Edwards

Donna Edwards

0:57:28 to 0:57:48( Edit History Discussion )

Donna Edwards: and other civilians. but i want them to know that this debate that we're having here today is not about them, the about the direction that we need to proceed. i saw the commitment and courage of afghan women to build a future for their country but this bill will not get us there. let me quote, given its terrain, poverty, neighborhood and tragic history, afghanistan in many ways poses an even more

Donna Edwards

0:57:49 to 0:58:10( Edit History Discussion )

Donna Edwards: complex and difficult long-term challenge than iraq. one that despite a large international effort will require significant u.s. military and economic commitment for some time, end quote. those are the words of secretary robert gates and not my own. and yet here we are today prepared to commit our service men and women to a war without end, placing them in harm's way without a plan for being there

Donna Edwards

0:58:11 to 0:58:31( Edit History Discussion )

Donna Edwards: and a strategy for leaving afghanistan. i understand that we want to give our president an opportunity to work out a mess that he inherited but did not create. unfortunately this congress and this president have to be honest with the american people, that this is not -- will the gentleman yield? mr. perlmutter: i yield another 30 seconds. ms. edwards: we have to be honest with the american people

Donna Edwards

0:58:32 to 0:58:40( Edit History Discussion )

Donna Edwards: that this is not an in-out military operation. it requires a long-term, sustained commitment to turn 90% illiteracy to literacy, grow food products instead of

David Dreier

0:58:41 to 0:58:55( Edit History Discussion )

David Dreier: producing heroin and opium, build a civil society and rule of law. we need a plan while we're there and a strategy for leaving and we don't have it and i'll be voting against this supplemental. thank you and i yield. . the speaker pro tempore: the

David Dreier

0:58:45 to 0:58:55( Edit History Discussion )
Speech By: David Dreier

Betty Sue Sutton

0:58:56 to 0:59:16( Edit History Discussion )

Betty Sue Sutton: gentleman from california. speakers remaining. and then -- mr. perlmutter: three speakers. mr. dreier: should we continue to reserve? maybe we'll reserve for -- the speaker pro tempore: both sides have eight minutes remaining.

Betty Sue Sutton

0:59:00 to 1:01:30( Edit History Discussion )
Speech By: Betty Sue Sutton

Betty Sue Sutton

0:59:17 to 0:59:38( Edit History Discussion )

Betty Sue Sutton: mr. perlmutter: how much time? the speaker pro tempore: both sides have eight minutes remaining. mr. perlmutter: with that i yield from ohio, congresswoman sutton. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlewoman from ohio is recognized for two minutes. ms. sutton: thank you, mr. speaker. i thank the gentleman for yielding me the time and for his leadership. today we consider the last war supplemental providing funding

Betty Sue Sutton

0:59:39 to 0:59:59( Edit History Discussion )

Betty Sue Sutton: for our troops in iraq and afghistan. however i am deeply concerned this bill does not have an exit strategy for military operations in afghanistan. out of fairness to our brave soldiers, we cannot have an open-ended strategy. i support the bill introduced by representative jim mcgovern, to require one. but this bill does have some

Betty Sue Sutton

1:00:00 to 1:00:21( Edit History Discussion )

Betty Sue Sutton: provisions in it that i support. since october of 2001, approximately 160,000 soldiers have been subject to stop loss orders. serving on involuntary extended tours of duty. last june i introduced the stop loss compensation act to ensure all our soldiers affected by the policy would be properly compensated. and last fall we took the first

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